Talk:Supremacism

Don't merge with 'triumphalism;' just retain the cross-reference.

As I pointed out over in the 'triumphalism' entry, they are truly two different types of things. 'Supremacism' is a term that is reserved for articulated, conscious doctrines. Supremacism also has an integral political nature, reflected in this entry's tight focus on the entitlement to certain rights as a defining feature of supremacist doctrines. Supremacism definitely belongs in the realm of political dogma or doctrine.

'Triumphalism,' on the other hand, is most frequently an unarticulated--even unconscious--assumption or attitude. It may be, but is not necessarily associated with any political course of action or goal. When we speak of triumphalism, we are discussing a sociological or psychological phenomenon.

In addition, 'Supremacist' is a badge of honor among true supremacists; they willingly describe themselves as supremacists. In contrast, 'triumphalism' is an observer's category. It is an adjective used by some to characterize the actions or attitudes of others--often meant to imply some measure dysfunctional delusion. No one labels him or herself a 'triumphalist;' no one explicitly advocates to increase triumphalism within his or her own group.

Crips and Bloods supremacist Groups?

Is it accurate to list the crips and Bloods aong the list of supremacist groups? to my knowledge the crips and blood are almost never refered to as a black suppemacist groups. Shouldn't then hispanic gangs be included in this list as well? or asian gangs? just because a certain race dominates a gang does not automatically make it a suppremacist group. If no further information can be provided i think they should be removed.

--The Crips is a street gang which originated in Los Angeles, California in the late 1960s. During the early 1970s, the gang grew and branched out to other parts of Los Angeles County. These new subsidiary or realigned existing gangs were known as sets, and they used the term Crips in their individual gang name.--

exert taken fron know-gangs.com there is no mention of the Crips being a suppremacist gang.

-The gang is largely composed of African Americans, but is multiracial in many cities (e.g. New York), where "satellite" Crip gangs are present. The gang has an intense rivalry with the Bloods. They are also known to feud with Chicano gangs.-

Taken form wikipedia article on crips. i gues the crips are a multiracial black supremacist group.

Phobias in See Also section?

Since a phobia is not necessarily a sign of supremacism, should phobia-related See Also links be in here?

This may need a rework.

Struck me as odd how the article mentions eurocentrism but is rather eurocentric itself. Glass House Supremacy! But considering the nature of the topic that is not surprising either. What actually IS superior? And that is a question that should also be addressed to some minimal degree at least, the philosophical and technical considerations. Things don't exactly tend to be equal, but at the same time it can be difficult to say what is good or bad, or whether an outcome is more on the positive or negative side, which is itself part of the entire problem. Clearly the article should be concerned mainly with cases where the implied supremacy has no actual basis. Say in modern history an idea of "American Supremacy" wouldn't be too controversial on many levels. But this historic context and depth also is badly lacking in this article, being rather focused on recent history or select specific times, and in fact making it in any way comprehensive may be difficult, since it appears many people considered themselves superior to others at some point. It may have been nearly universal in advanced societies who eclipsed or fought their neighbors in some fashion. Right now it reads like a list of anecdotes.

And there is a question with religion for instance: if one did not consider their beliefs superior why would one hold them? And this was a problem since the earliest days in Abrahamic religions in particular. The sects battled until only a few remained. Populations with deviating beliefs were often wiped out. This did happen in Judaism, in early Christianity, the Muslim civil war, but also again later, from time to time, say with the Arabs and Turks during/after the Ottoman Empire.

Some level of belief in one's own supremacy may well be a necessary survival mechanism and a normal psychological process, and probably is not unhealthy when not excessive, like the opposite extreme of lack of self-worth. Having some sense of self-worth is good until massively inflated or deflated. 2003:C4:C731:1800:C566:225D:EC13:75DA (talk) 12:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)