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Discussions:

No consensus, 19 May 2023, to University at Albany, see discussion.
Not moved, 22 December 2024, to SUNY Albany, see discussion.

Requested move 19 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 14:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

University at Albany, SUNY → University at Albany – The brand identity of Albany states the only acceptable forms are "University at Albany" and "UAlbany". Obviously, this isn't the end-all-be-all, but "SUNY Albany" and "University of Albany" are explicitly called out in the "never use these" section (though not our current title of University at Albany, SUNY). Still, "University at Albany" appears to more common than "University at Albany, SUNY", looking at Google Trends for the last 12 months (this holds up over 5 years as well).

A couple of previous discussions on the title for this page (the 2017 RM, the moves in 2008) have stated potential confusions with institutions like Albany State College and institutions in Albany, Western Australia, but the first few pages of google search results under "University at Albany" in quotation marks only show results for this university. The last move request was closed as no consensus with the note that there were more GHits on a generic google search for the SUNY version, which is certainly no longer the case, either with or without quotation marks, even accounting for the fact that University at Albany will include results for University of Albany, SUNY given the fact that it's a part of the string (with quotation marks, it's 3.4mil for University at Albany vs 1.1mil for University at Albany, SUNY, which is over 3x as many). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 01:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose: Really, I think you're shooting yourself in the foot by citing the university's own branding guidelines and by presenting statistics as justification. As noted in the previous RM, Wikipedia prefers independent secondary or tertiary reliable sources. And "foo bar" will always show more Google hits than "foo bar blang", whether its "over 5 years" or any other period of time. I also note that most of the university's own logo variants include "State University of New York" as a subtitle (see that branding page or the logo that appears at the upper left corner of every sub-page of the university's website), and are thus including some SUNY identification as part of the identification of the university. US News is the common authority on US universities, and it uses the current title, as shown here. The QS college rating service also includes "SUNY", as shown here. The ARWU rankings also include "State University of New York" in the title of their corresponding page, as shown here. The Wall Street Journal / Times Higher Education ranking also includes "SUNY" in the name they use, "SUNY University at Albany", shown here. The Niche ranking also includes "SUNY, shown here. That is every university ranking authority that I have checked – they all include "SUNY" in one form or another when identifying this university. Independent sources seem to consistently find it appropriate to identify this as a branch of SUNY in the title of their descriptions of the university, so Wikipedia should do that too. Wikipedia should strive to maintain independence, rather than assisting with the marketing campaigns of the topics it discusses. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 22 December 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW, considered in the context of the 100+ RMs proposed at once by this user. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University at Albany, SUNY → SUNY Albany – WP:COMMONNAME. Theparties (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The full name provides a WP:TITLECON consistent naming convention across all articles on universities and colleges in the United States. Many reliable sources like Forbes and US News and World Report still use the full name. The OP has also made numerous individual RMs on this same issue like this one, which may violate WP:ACROTITLE or use a shorter common name that is rarely used outside a sports/athletic context. Better to stick to the status quo. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary, unwise, and unhelpful for readers. ElKevbo (talk) 15:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per the comments of Zzyzx11. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 16:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:TITLEFORMAT#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations, WP:ACROTITLE, and what Zzyzx11 said. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.